Eight Republicans voted for passage of the Cap & TAX bill yesterday in the House of Representatives. With a 300 page amendment added around 3AM in the morning, there is no way these clowns or anyone else in the House even read the bill.
Eight Republican turncoats and 211 Democrats voted against the American people and in favor of increasing all of your energy costs, food production costs, manufacturing costs, transportation & shipping costs and to effectively put the coal companies out of business… all because of junk-based science which is being increasingly dismissed by the scientific community. These clowns would prefer to take money from your pockets and make your living expenses increase in order to create a new ethereal economy based on the concept of energy credits. More of them, their big business friends, and Al Gore would become richer while the squeeze put on American families would be even tighter.
And if you are in Wyoming, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Montana or one of the other coal-producing states… expect your state’s economy to suffer dramatically. More empty homes and businesses. More neighbors out of work. But the problem doesn’t end there. Roughly half of all energy in this country comes from coal, so everyone’s expenses for virtually everything will go up. And when it does, these Republicans deserve much of the blame:
- Bono Mack (CA) (202) 225-5330
- Castle (DE) (202) 225-4165
- Kirk (IL) (202) 225-4385 (And he’s seriously considering running for Senate!)
- Lance (NJ) (202) 225-5361
- LoBiondo (NJ) (202) 225-6572
- McHugh (NY) (202) 225-4611
- Reichert (WA) (202) 225-7761
- Smith (NJ) (202) 225-3765
Forty-four Democrats had the courage to vote against this painful tax on American productivity. Too bad these eight Republicans didn’t have the stones to do the same. With a razor thin margin, these eight Republicans made the difference. You can thank them when it becomes even more difficult to pay your bills every month.
Remember these names when its time for re-election. If the party doesn’t put up a Conservative, Libertarian or Republican alternative, vote for the Donkey. We can not continue to keep turncoats in power who prefer earmarks and junk science to the well-being of American citizens.
h/t: Michelle Malkin
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The situation in our country is very bad. Our “economy” stinks and sinks. The average
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All of us who hoped for a positive change with the “NEW” Administation are being
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We are all going to need one before the next 3 years are over.
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American Elephant,
Wishing you much success in aiding on the GOP’s purge of moderates. Keep up the good work.
-Thank You!
John, I’m sure you think you’re cute. Whatever. We want RINOs out of the party, not so-called moderates. I have no problem with moderates, but I do have a problem with anyone who would sell out the American people for a new ethereal economy, big business, and junk science.
The Republican Party needs to return to principles and standards. Being everything to everybody while you sell your soul for power is the promise of Liberal (progressive) Democrats. Republicans can not win playing that game, nor should we even participate in it.
If you accept that Earth’s atmospheric temperature is being negatively impacted by man-made CO2 emissions (along with most of the world’s scientists), then legislators who act to try and curtail these emissions can hardly be characterized as “trying to be all things to all people.”
If you presuppose that global warming is “junk science” and deny the threat it poses, it doesn’t seem that there is much middle ground for discussion between our points of view. So I just wish you success your endeavors to help idealogically purify the GOP, which is a goal that we both can agree will be good for the nation.
These legislators are not trying to curtail CO2 emissions, they are trying to increase the power of the Federal Government and the burden on the American people. And regardless of their “motives” none of them read the damn bill, so its irresponsible to have voted on it in the first place. If those are the same people you want in the Democratic Party, you can have them. I’d rather have a small party that puts America first than a bunch of panderers and lobbyists who talk out of both sides of their mouth.
Many scientists who once believed in man-made global warming no longer believe its the case. Many more never believed in the first place. The earth is not warming currently, and has historically had increases AND decreases in temperature. A little more than 3 decades ago, many of the same “global warming” hacks were saying we were going to go extinct thanks to Global Cooling. Its nothing but a powergrab, and too many lemmings are falling into their trap.
But again, that’s really a side issue. The bill is nothing but a massive expansion of government, increase in taxes on ALL AMERICANS, and the creation of an economy trading a government-made, Al Gore inspired mythical product. Anytime the government creates a product, mandates its use and controls who gets it, it cannot be a good thing. That is not nor has it ever been government’s role.
John, maybe you have never had to make a payroll of offered health care benefits to your employees. Maybe you have never had to make the mortgage payments on your own home or paid for the gas in your own car. Maybe you have never been the creator of wealth for other people, which enabled them to feed their families and take care of themselves. I have.
Anytime you increase the cost of doing business, you raise the prices for everyone, and threaten the wellfare of the staff and local economy. Anytime you increase fuel costs, you threaten not just travel and business, but any company where the patrons and employees have to drive. And lets not start on one of the bill’s provisions that enables the government to come into a home you are selling and give it an energy rating, requiring your to either fix it to some bureaucrat’s standards or lose money on the sale.
The fact remains that this bill is a hindrance to prosperity and will not provide any assistance to the climate. Want to reduce CO2 emissions? Get your liberal friends and lobbyists to stop blocking nuclear plants and alternative energy sources because of some left-wing agenda. Had people stopped bowing to the environmental lobby years ago, we’d have better energy alternatives already.
American Elephant, you’re doing a great job. Thank you, and keep up the good work.
My Republican Congressman Says Cap and Trade is Good for America.
And, he caught the Green River Killer.
Did you catch the Green River Killer?
No, no you didn’t.
You can hear his interview here.
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=194&sid=184941
Dave Reichert SPEAKS: says Cap and Trade will be good for America
He argued that the expense would not be what the Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation, and Wall Street Journal were predicting. He argued that it would cost around $.48 per day and that we would have better national security, more nuclear, coal and refining capabilities, and a cleaner environment with the bill. He argued that the conservative arguments against were mistaken, and that Washington specifically would be better off even though the bill was imperfect.
And, he caught the Green River Killer.
Yeah, it took him a couple of decades, but better late than never.
I hear Fox was thinking about making the Series 24 about Reichert. But instead of showing 24 hours in a day they would have to make each episode a year.
American Elephant,
Creating rhetorical straw men in order to knock them down doesn’t constitute rigorous debate, it is a exercise in preaching to the already converted.
Congressmen who’s votes that you disagree with on a particular issue must be staging a power grab and are merely “a bunch of panderers … who talk out of both sides of their mouth.” A blog commenter who doesn’t share your point of view obviously hasn’t walked in your shoes and so he understands nothing about the fiscal challenges of running a business or even the cost of filling up a car with gas. Scientists who believe in the science of global warming must be “hacks” who are laying some kind of nefarious trap.
Blind adherence to ideology supported only by simple allegory doesn’t leave much ground for discussion on the merits of and approach to the important issue of the day. Which is why at this particular moment I’d like to see you succeed in further shrinking the ranks of the GOP.
John, no one is asking for “blind adherence” to the GOP. Certainly not me who has differed with the GOP leadership quite a bit over recent years. BUT, there are basic common principles that one should agree with or party affiliation is meaningless. Smaller government / less government interference in our lives is one of those themes that all Republican Party members should strive for as it is at the core of the party. Failing to work towards that, a politician doesn’t belong in the party. Its not rigid ideology, but it is a principle. Something liberals (and many in my own party over recent years) no nothing about.
Struck a nerve with the work/life experience didn’t I? Don’t worry, you are not alone, the same applies to many in Washington, our President included. Those bozos, apparently like yourself, understand nothing about running a business, making a payroll, or supporting the livelihood of a number of families. If they did, they would think twice about greater burdens on the economic engines of our society — small businesses. What good are increased taxes when there is no one left to pay them? Maybe you want some socialist utopia where nanny government provides you with everything you need and controls everything you do. If that is your ultimate goal, then go right ahead and keep following the rest of the Lemmings. If that is not your goal, then you might want to re-evaluate the things you support and pay closer attention to their long term effects on the economic well being of yourself and your neighbors.
Do you have any idea what matching taxes, regulation/tax adherence and benefit programs cost a business above and beyond an employee’s salary? I didn’t think so.
As a small business owner, every dollar I spent is a dollar that comes out of my family’s income. It is quite literally taking food out of my child’s mouth. So when costs go up, I have to chose to lower those costs or take away from my wife and my child. When the government increases energy costs, I have to chose to cut back production, raise prices, or not go on a family vacation. When they increase the complexity of the tax code and require additional benefits for employees, I have to chose whether to hire someone, fire someone, or take away from my kid’s education. Raising prices and keeping demand the same doesn’t work for anyone in this economy except government accountants making the numbers fit their political whims.
And scientists who believe in Global Warming are hacks. There is too much evidence to the contrary (including a recent EPA report that has been silenced) to suggest otherwise. At the VERY LEAST global warming itself is up for debate and man-made global warming has no scientific basis at all. But go ahead, keep drinking the Kool-Aid and listening to the liberal talking heads instead of reading a researching for yourself.
John2,
Green River Killer notwithstanding, Dave Reichert is wrong. I’m not sure the CBO estimate is as low as $.48 a day, but that only goes to the increase in household utility bills and doesn’t consider the added costs and burdens on the economy.
But even at those ridiculously low estimates, the impact is still clear. If your household electric bill only goes up $.48 a day, how much do you think the grocery store’s bill with all those freezers, refrigerators and massive square footage will go up? $15 a day maybe? And what about the farmer growing your corn, or raising the cows to provide milk? Maybe their costs will go up $25 a day? And what about the manufacturers delivering everything else you eat. $35 a day, or more, each? And what about the delivery companies bringing the fresh food to the store, how much will their electricity and fuel costs go up? $50 a day, or more? And the marketing companies who produce their weekly ads, or the management company that runs their shopping center… think their costs will go up?
And when all of these costs go up, what do you think will happen? Having to pay their own debts and answer to shareholders, each person along the chain will raise their prices to compensate resulting in an increase in prices at the grocery store. So when you go and buy food for the week, your costs for the same groceries you always buy will go up. Think that will cost more than $.48 a day?
And when you bring home the same income but your electricity costs have gone up and your grocery costs have gone up, what will you do? Will you cut out some of your spending or have to put more money on credit cards costing you additional interest on that tax you are already paying because of higher prices? And what about the person working at the grocery store? They have to eat too, buying the same food that now costs them more, even though there disposable income is less (because their energy costs went up too).
Our economy is fantastically intertwined and these incremental increases do have a big impact on everyone’s bottom line. Oil prices going up causes everything from grain to corn to peanut butter and cheese slices to increase in price. Think Cap & TAX won’t have an even greater impact?
AE,
I’m a little crammed at the moment, but wanted to respond because I’m having fun with our little back and forth. I’ll go point by point for the sake of brevity.
- I never wrote blind adherence to a party.” What I did write is “blind adherence to an ideology.” You believe that small government/less interference is a core principle that can not be compromised. (and then you insult anyone who disagrees with you, but that’s immaterial). I believe that the US economy nearly fell off a cliff into the abyss last September and due to that extreme circumstance, it must strongly intervene because it is the only institution large enough to stave off disaster. That is to say I believe the Bank Bailout and the Stimulus were absolutely necessary or we all would be farmers trying to figure out how to make it through the winter this year because the economy would currently be in complete and utter ruin.
-You didn’t strike a nerve “with the work/life experience” line of argument. The truth is you assume a great deal about my life/work experience (we all know what happens when you assume, don’t we?) and draw wild conclusions from your total disdain for any change to the current tax structure. We all get it … you really DO NOT LIKE TAXES! Not sure anyone does, but your feelings certainly seem to have made you unique in that they have provided you with a keener understanding of the way the world works than the rest of us “lemmings.” I don’t want to segue too much into a debate about taxes, but in brief, I do not think it was responsible to cut taxes over the past 8 years while the US was engaged in two costly wars (which helped turn a $500 Billion Gov surplus into annual trillion deficits with no clear end in sight.)
-To speak specifically to the cost of an energy tax: What if you count the War in Iraq to our energy costs? Or some future war in the Middle East. We are already paying quite dearly for our energy. You may think you have a God given right to $1.50/gallon oil, but there are thousands of soldiers who have paid the ultimate price in that war and I think we can easily agree that we stand to benefit as a country from a transfer to alternatives sources of energy. We may argue over method (goverment incentives v. private enterprise v. some combination of the 2) but let’s not ignore the extreme cost that some have already paid and make such a martyr of yourself (“taking food from your child’s mouth”) and cast dispersions on anyone who disagrees with your methodology.
-When oil prices shot up so rapidly last year I think it was absolutely devastating for the country. I believe that Republicans should act responsibly by countering the tendency to lurch too far back the other direction from the catastrophe that was the Bush Administration. But I believe that currently the GOP and it’s party leaders are too rooted in ideology and preservation of their own power to serve as anything other than a destructive obstructionist force in a critical and vulnerable time for the country. “Drill Baby Drill” was not an energy policy solution, it was an empty slogan. No offense, but I don’t know how to have a discussion when you presuppose that scientists who believe in the science of global warming are hacks. Who is your source for this enlightened knowledge? Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck? Maybe it is Sen Inhofe (bought and paid for by the good people at ConocoPhilips) or Sarah (I can see Russia from my front porch) Palin.
-As for forming a detailed economic analysis of the Cap and Trade bill as it now stands, I need to do further research to form an opinion as to whether it is going to be an good bill. I admit that I am inclined to believe that it represents a positive step forward, but I will read some of your suggested materials if you’d like to provide any and I challenge you to try expanding your reading/news pool beyond the usual suspects. And maybe we can discuss it sometime in the future.
best,
John
-that was a little longer than I had time for. Looking forward to next time.
I do presume a lot. But either you don’t have the experience running a business, having employees, making payroll, paying taxes, etc… or you prefer government control versus enjoying the fruits of your own ingenuity and labor. One is naivete, the other is economic suicide.
No I don’t get my Global Warming facts from Rush & Co. I get it from reading a cross section of published reports, not just Al Gore and NBC News. I’ve been discussing this stuff on and off for years, and a cursory search through this blog will likely find a number of times where it has been discussed before. Studies overseas, studies in our own country, looking at historical climate patterns, reviewing the hysteria over “Global Cooling” a few decades ago… and taking a realistic look at the man-made global warming proponents and what they stand to gain by measures such as Kyota and Cap & Trade. I am not a mouth piece for my party (just ask the poor volunteers who have called here over the past few years) nor do I regurgitate what I hear on talk radio. Can you say the same about the DNC, CNN, or the NBC Nightly News?
You are completely misreading me if you think my argument and concern is based strictly on taxes. This is about government interference and control. Yes taxes are a part of that, and often the catalyst that leads to the control… but the control and interference is much more devastating than the taxes in and of themselves. Every time the government takes from the people, be it taxes or liberty, the people become less free. Every time the government “gives” more to the people, it is empowering itself over the people and again making us less free.
And, for the record, Drill Baby Drill is a more coherent energy policy than the stuff coming out of this administration. We have billions of barrels of oil reserves in this country waiting to be tapped, but some looney leftists won’t let us touch it. California could get out of the financial mess its in if they would just open up the offshore wells they already have in place… but instead they leave them capped and are paying vendors with IOUs waiting for the rest of the nation to bail them out. It is patently ridiculous to have resources in this land that we are not tapping while paying someone else for the same thing. Is drilling enough? OF COURSE NOT. But we could drill domestically and put that money towards new advances and other technology… developing a new energy economy and resources without burdening the populous with higher taxes and government control.
But that makes too much sense.
As for your Iraq War/Bush rambling nonsense. I’m not going there. Talk about straw men. I have my own issues with President Bush and voiced them quite regularly. No surprise my biggest problems with him are stuff you actually praised (i.e. bailouts). The bailouts and the stimulus were not necessary, but since we can’t go in a time machine and study the effects had they not happened, you’ll never believe it anyway. I’d just like to know why all of Barack Obama’s doom and gloom scenarios if we didn’t pass the stimulus are coming true even though we did.
I think this has gone on long enough. Cheers. A safe and joyful Fourth to you and yours.
Happy 4th to you and your family as well.